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“The Enneagram can change people very rapidly.”
“The Enneagram is a method of human growth.”
“We hit the parenting jackpot with David.”
Summary
This conversation with our first guest of honor, Denise Daniels, PhD, continues in Part II, where we further explore the profound impact of Dr. David Daniels on the Enneagram. The discussion delves into the origins of the Enneagram, its relevance for personal growth and relationships, and ongoing efforts to bridge it with scientific research. Personal anecdotes highlight David’s character and the transformative power of the Enneagram in fostering self-awareness and understanding others. The speakers reflect on the importance of passing this knowledge to future generations and the evolving recognition of the Enneagram within academic circles.
Takeaways
- The Enneagram is about self-discovery and understanding one’s core motivations.
- David Daniels played a crucial role in bringing the Enneagram to a wider audience.
- The Enneagram can facilitate rapid personal change and emotional growth.
- There is a growing body of scientific research supporting the Enneagram’s validity.
- David’s Basic Propositions provide a clear path for personal development.
- The Enneagram fosters empathy and understanding in interpersonal relationships.
- The legacy of the Enneagram is being carried forward by new generations of teachers.
- David’s courage in facing skepticism helped legitimize the Enneagram in psychology.
- The Enneagram is increasingly recognized in academic and scientific communities.
- Personal anecdotes reveal the human side of David and his impact on others.

Keywords
Dr. David Daniels, Legacy, Narrative Tradition, personal growth, relationships, inclusivity, emotional intelligence, spiritual psychology, family impact.
Summary
In this special episode of the Narrative Tradition podcast, hosts Jeanette and Peter are incredibly proud and thrilled to welcome their very first guest in this new podcast series: Denise Daniels, the daughter of Dr. David Daniels.
In this episode, they honor the legacy of Dr. David Daniels, a pioneer of the Enneagram. They discuss his profound impact on personal growth, relationships, and the importance of inclusivity. Denise Daniels shares her reflections on her father’s work as a bridge builder and the ongoing influence of the Enneagram community, emphasizing the transformative power of understanding oneself and others through this system.
Takeaways
- The Enneagram has transformed countless lives since its inception.
- Denise Daniels reflects on the journey of carrying on her father’s legacy.
- David Daniels was instrumental in creating the Enneagram Professional Training Program, a testament to his persistence and dedication.
- David was the initiator of the International Enneagram Association, driven by his commitment to fostering connection and community.
- The Enneagram provides a framework for personal growth and understanding relationships.
- Inclusivity was a core value for David in his work with the Enneagram.
- The Enneagram helps individuals understand their own minds and the minds of others.
- David’s humor and goodwill made the Enneagram accessible to all.
- David deeply valued integrating science with the Enneagram, bridging empirical research with ancient wisdom.
- The Enneagram bridges the gap between spirituality and psychology.
- Denise’s family experienced the Enneagram as a language of connection.
- David’s upcoming book on relationships integrates the Enneagram with neuroscience.

“It’s all about relationships.”
Summary
In this conversation, Jeanette and Peter explore various aspects of the Narrative Tradition and its application in personal growth and communication. They discuss the importance of self-remembering, body-centered practices, and the Via Negativa in meditation. The conversation also delves into the significance of understanding subtypes in relationships and the challenges that arise from different subtype dynamics. They emphasize the value of in-person learning and community building, as well as the empowerment that comes from teaching and supporting others in their journeys.
Takeaways
- The Narrative Tradition focuses on communication and connection.
- Practicing self-remembering enhances interpersonal interactions.
- Body-centered practices provide grounding during challenging moments.
- The Via Negativa offers practical insights into meditation.
- Resistance to meditation is common and also rooted in personal history.
- Understanding subtypes is crucial for navigating relationships.
- Different subtypes can create unique challenges in partnerships.
- In-person learning fosters community and deeper understanding.
- Teaching empowers both the teacher and the students.
- Maintaining the practices for future generations is essential.

In this conversation, Peter and Jeanette discuss their recent experiences with Enneagram trainings, focusing on subtypes, transformational processes, and the importance of in-person learning. They reflect on the legacy of the Narrative Enneagram and its impact on personal growth and community engagement. The conversation also touches on upcoming events and the significance of compassion in the Enneagram journey.
Takeaways
- Every time I work with the subtypes, I am amazed by how this material impacts participants, their lives, and their relationships.
- People experience profound insights as they come to understand how their predominant instinct shapes what makes sense in their lives.
- The self-preservation instinct is about the need or right to survive.
- The sexual instinct engages the need or right to be loved and seen as an individual.
- The social instinct involves the need or right to belong.
- We offer a post-graduation retreat program consisting of nine retreats, starting with the retreat for Point 1, focused entirely on the practice of compassion.
- The transformational process has always been part of our professional training program, but now we’ve made it explicit.
- In-person learning fosters deeper connections and support.
- The younger generation tells us to continue making this work accessible, as online learning simply cannot offer the same healing and growth experience.
- The Narrative Tradition continues to be life-changing for many.

In this conversation, Peter and Jeanette discuss their recent experiences with Enneagram trainings, focusing on subtypes, transformational processes, and the importance of in-person learning. They reflect on the legacy of the Narrative Enneagram and its impact on personal growth and community engagement. The conversation also touches on upcoming events and the significance of compassion in the Enneagram journey.
Takeaways
- Every time I work with the subtypes, I am amazed by how this material impacts participants, their lives, and their relationships.
- People experience profound insights as they come to understand how their predominant instinct shapes what makes sense in their lives.
- The self-preservation instinct is about the need or right to survive.
- The sexual instinct engages the need or right to be loved and seen as an individual.
- The social instinct involves the need or right to belong.
- We offer a post-graduation retreat program consisting of nine retreats, starting with the retreat for Point 1, focused entirely on the practice of compassion.
- The transformational process has always been part of our professional training program, but now we’ve made it explicit.
- In-person learning fosters deeper connections and support.
- The younger generation tells us to continue making this work accessible, as online learning simply cannot offer the same healing and growth experience.
- The Narrative Tradition continues to be life-changing for many.

In this clip, you’ll hear a powerful recommendation for Jeanette van Stijn’s book Coaching and Counseling to the Point. If you’re a coach, counselor, spiritual director, or manager working with the Enneagram, this book is an invaluable resource.

In this clip, you’ll hear a powerful recommendation for Jeanette van Stijn’s book Coaching and Counseling to the Point. If you’re a coach, counselor, spiritual director, or manager working with the Enneagram, this book is an invaluable resource.

Keywords
Enneagram, Helen Palmer, Via Negativa, Via Positiva, Intuition, Psychospiritual Integration, Personal Growth, Spiritual Development, Enneagram Community, Podcast
Summary
In this conversation, Jeanette and Peter discuss their recent experiences in the Enneagram community, focusing on the teachings of Helen Palmer.
They explore the concepts of Via Negativa and Via Positiva, the importance of intuition, and the integration of psychological and spiritual practices. The discussion highlights Helen’s significant contributions to the Enneagram and the ongoing relevance of her teachings in personal growth and spiritual development.
Takeaways
- Peter shares his busy week at the Enneagram Las Vegas community conference.
- The Enneagram Europe Summer School 2025 is officially booked at a monastery retreat center.
- Helen Palmer’s teachings on the Enneagram are profound and impactful.
- The Via Negativa emphasizes receptivity and understanding one’s ego.
- The Via Positiva can lead to spiritual bypass if not balanced with the Via Negativa.
- Helen taught that intuition is accessible to everyone, not just certain types.
- Psychospiritual integration is crucial for personal growth and relationships.
- Helen’s teachings encourage a balance between ego and spiritual development.
- The importance of being receptive to spiritual experiences and relationships.
- The conversation reflects on the legacy of Helen Palmer and her teachings.
Sound Bites
“I think it’s amazing the insights she gave us.”
“If you don’t get the via negativa, you don’t get the work.”
“The necessity to first know my ego and my drives.”
Chapters
00:00. Introduction and Personal Updates
05:40. Spotlight on Helen Palmer
07:36. Listen Helen teaching
14:25. Understanding Via Negativa and Via Positiva
20:39. Helen’s Teaching and Personal Growth
28:06. Psychospiritual Integration and Receptivity
36:15. Reflections on Helen’s Legacy

Keywords
Enneagram, Helen Palmer, Via Negativa, Via Positiva, Intuition, Psychospiritual Integration, Personal Growth, Spiritual Development, Enneagram Community, Podcast
Summary
In this conversation, Jeanette and Peter discuss their recent experiences in the Enneagram community, focusing on the teachings of Helen Palmer.
They explore the concepts of Via Negativa and Via Positiva, the importance of intuition, and the integration of psychological and spiritual practices. The discussion highlights Helen’s significant contributions to the Enneagram and the ongoing relevance of her teachings in personal growth and spiritual development.
Takeaways
- Peter shares his busy week at the Enneagram Las Vegas community conference.
- The Enneagram Europe Summer School 2025 is officially booked at a monastery retreat center.
- Helen Palmer’s teachings on the Enneagram are profound and impactful.
- The Via Negativa emphasizes receptivity and understanding one’s ego.
- The Via Positiva can lead to spiritual bypass if not balanced with the Via Negativa.
- Helen taught that intuition is accessible to everyone, not just certain types.
- Psychospiritual integration is crucial for personal growth and relationships.
- Helen’s teachings encourage a balance between ego and spiritual development.
- The importance of being receptive to spiritual experiences and relationships.
- The conversation reflects on the legacy of Helen Palmer and her teachings.
Sound Bites
“I think it’s amazing the insights she gave us.”
“If you don’t get the via negativa, you don’t get the work.”
“The necessity to first know my ego and my drives.”
Chapters
00:00. Introduction and Personal Updates
05:40. Spotlight on Helen Palmer
07:36. Listen Helen teaching
14:25. Understanding Via Negativa and Via Positiva
20:39. Helen’s Teaching and Personal Growth
28:06. Psychospiritual Integration and Receptivity
36:15. Reflections on Helen’s Legacy

A Journey of Transformation and Community with the Enneagram
In the third episode of The Narrative Tradition Podcast, host Peter O’Hanrahan turns the spotlight on Jeanette, leading to an intimate and insightful conversation about the transformative power of the Enneagram in her life and work.
This interview introduces listeners to Jeanette’s remarkable journey with the Enneagram, which began in 1998, and reveals how it has shaped her path as a teacher, trainer, coach, and author. Together, they explore the importance of building a supportive learning community—one that fosters deeper connections and collective growth, a central theme of the upcoming Enneagram Summer School. This unique initiative offers advanced training for those looking to deepen their mastery of the Enneagram, while highlighting the irreplaceable value of in-person learning in an increasingly digital world.
Listeners also get an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at how the podcast was born out of Jeanette and Peter’s shared passion for meaningful dialogue. This episode serves as both an introduction to Jeanette and a preview of what’s to come, including future episodes featuring influential voices from the Enneagram community.

A Journey of Transformation and Community with the Enneagram
In the third episode of The Narrative Tradition Podcast, host Peter O’Hanrahan turns the spotlight on Jeanette, leading to an intimate and insightful conversation about the transformative power of the Enneagram in her life and work.
This interview introduces listeners to Jeanette’s remarkable journey with the Enneagram, which began in 1998, and reveals how it has shaped her path as a teacher, trainer, coach, and author. Together, they explore the importance of building a supportive learning community—one that fosters deeper connections and collective growth, a central theme of the upcoming Enneagram Summer School. This unique initiative offers advanced training for those looking to deepen their mastery of the Enneagram, while highlighting the irreplaceable value of in-person learning in an increasingly digital world.
Listeners also get an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at how the podcast was born out of Jeanette and Peter’s shared passion for meaningful dialogue. This episode serves as both an introduction to Jeanette and a preview of what’s to come, including future episodes featuring influential voices from the Enneagram community.

The Panel Interview is an important method of The Narrative Tradition, where certified Enneagram Teachers interview panels of individuals who identify with the same Enneagram type.
This method, which moves from curiosity to exploration of the types and the stories of those who resonate with that type, unites and achieves three goals: (1) research and knowledge acquisition, (2) teaching the observing audience, and above all (3) supporting and encouraging self-inquiry.
In this podcast, we turn the tables: this time, the 'Teachers are in the Hot Seat.'
In this second episode, we kick things off by interviewing Peter O'Hanrahan to hear his story about how he first encountered the Enneagram, the origins of the Narrative Tradition and the school of Helen Palmer and David Daniels, and much more inside information and anecdotes. And, of course, Peter’s life story goes hand in hand with unique insights into the work and the Enneagram.

The Panel Interview is an important method of The Narrative Tradition, where certified Enneagram Teachers interview panels of individuals who identify with the same Enneagram type.
This method, which moves from curiosity to exploration of the types and the stories of those who resonate with that type, unites and achieves three goals: (1) research and knowledge acquisition, (2) teaching the observing audience, and above all (3) supporting and encouraging self-inquiry.
In this podcast, we turn the tables: this time, the 'Teachers are in the Hot Seat.'
In this second episode, we kick things off by interviewing Peter O'Hanrahan to hear his story about how he first encountered the Enneagram, the origins of the Narrative Tradition and the school of Helen Palmer and David Daniels, and much more inside information and anecdotes. And, of course, Peter’s life story goes hand in hand with unique insights into the work and the Enneagram.

Join Peter O'Hanrahan, Enneagram Teacher and Body Therapist since 1978, and the nr 1 Core Faculty Teacher of Helen Palmer's and Dr. David Daniels' Enneagram School in the Narrative Tradition since 1988, and
Jeanette van Stijn, Director of Enneagram Europe since 2004, as they invite Enneagram enthusiasts from all over the world to reconnect with the transformative power of the Narrative Tradition.
In this first episode, Peter and Jeanette will explore the added value of the Narrative Tradition, sharing why this unique, expert-led approach continues to inspire deep personal understanding, healing, and growth. Discover why this podcast exists, why now is the time to reconnect, and what you can expect in the upcoming episodes.
With a blend of entertainment and education, this podcast offers rich insights from two seasoned, world-class experts who live and breathe the Enneagram. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or a long-time practitioner, this podcast is your chance to engage with a tradition that prioritizes personal stories, deep connection with yourself and others, and authentic, healthy development.
Tune in and reconnect with the Narrative Tradition worldwide!
✨ Educating. Entertaining. Enneagram experts. ✨

Join Peter O'Hanrahan, Enneagram Teacher and Body Therapist since 1978, and the nr 1 Core Faculty Teacher of Helen Palmer's and Dr. David Daniels' Enneagram School in the Narrative Tradition since 1988, and
Jeanette van Stijn, Director of Enneagram Europe since 2004, as they invite Enneagram enthusiasts from all over the world to reconnect with the transformative power of the Narrative Tradition.
In this first episode, Peter and Jeanette will explore the added value of the Narrative Tradition, sharing why this unique, expert-led approach continues to inspire deep personal understanding, healing, and growth. Discover why this podcast exists, why now is the time to reconnect, and what you can expect in the upcoming episodes.
With a blend of entertainment and education, this podcast offers rich insights from two seasoned, world-class experts who live and breathe the Enneagram. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or a long-time practitioner, this podcast is your chance to engage with a tradition that prioritizes personal stories, deep connection with yourself and others, and authentic, healthy development.
Tune in and reconnect with the Narrative Tradition worldwide!
✨ Educating. Entertaining. Enneagram experts. ✨